i'm not trying to change your mind. how could you possibly agree with my point of view, with it being so different than yours? but I am very grateful for the opportunity to discuss these things. the way I see it, dominance is aggression, aggression is violence even if it's not physically injurious (but there's always that threat of physical injury, isn't there?) If you have a chain of command, with some people above other people, you have rule based upon authority. the very organization of society into heirarchies of command is what makes it authoritarian. we have to start there, at the foundation upon which sits all the premises that attempt to prove freedom invalid.